The first video ever played on MTV, back when MTV played music videos most of the time, was the one-hit wonder “Video Killed the Radio Star” by The Buggles. A lament about how new technology ended the career of a singer who was well-adapted to the production standards and genre constraints of an earlier era, the song recounts an irreversible process:
In my mind and in my car
We can’t rewind we’ve gone too far
Pictures came and broke your heart
Put the blame on VTR
Maybe this rings a faint bell for some of you. In any case, for a quick refresher, you can watch the whole thing here.
The great irony of MTV using this to launch an entirely new avenue for experiencing music (music videos weren’t new in 1981, but the idea of a basic cable channel that showed basically nothing but such videos was quite new) is that it took The Buggles’ tragic tale and drew from it, at least by implication, a silver lining: the end of the radio era was the condition of possibility for the video era, and the experience of music was thereby enhanced and transformed. Radio stars might die, but music would survive and thrive.
As I read the discussion thread that unfolded underneath my brief pedagogical query from a few weeks ago, and kept composing replies in my head that I couldn’t make the time for amidst the chaos of the opening week of the semester (and no, APSA had nothing to do with it, since I don’t go to APSA these days…but that’s material for another post entirely), I kept coming back to the thought that there was something of the sentiment of this song in many of the replies, and something of MTV’s ironic deployment of the song in my reaction. I would submit that podcasting has killed the lecturing star already, although news of that death has yet to reach all corners of the academy. Large live lecturing, like churning one’s own butter or properly loading a flintlock musket, is a historical curiosity, perhaps something one might expect to see in museums or at Renaissance Festivals being practiced as a hobby, but not in the heart of a university. But this death of the lecturer is also an opportunity for teaching, much as MTV was an opportunity for music — not wholly positive, not wholly negative, but different. And ignoring that difference, which we can keep doing in the academy for a while because of our tenuous-but-still-extant-in-many-quarters isolation from broader socioeconomic trends, is not a strategy for continuing to educate the students who keep filling up our classrooms and our campuses.
Let’s define some terms. By “large live lecture” I mean a pedagogical format in which one person stands or sits at the front of a room facing numerous (say > 50) students, and the person in front of the room delivers information which the students are responsible for converting into notes and stashing away in their brains. Whether presentation slides are used, whether the students are seated in fixed rows of desks, whether electronic clickers are used to check the students’ receipt of the information, even whether the lecturer interrupts the steady stream of information for the purpose of asking a “Socratic” leading question to which the lecturer already knows the answer and is simply fishing for something specific before moving on: all of this is quite irrelevant, because it doesn’t affect the basic lecture form, in which the lecturer gives out information and the students try to catch and internalize it. “Drinking from a firehose” strikes me as an appropriate metaphor here too: lecturer gives, students receive. I hasten to add that this is, in my view, not some additional piece of pedagogical philosophy that is added onto a lecture; this “banking concept” (to use yet another metaphor) is built into the lecture format, so if you’re uncomfortable with this model of teaching and learning, I would suggest that you are actually uncomfortable with the lecture format itself.
In this way, the distinctive thing pedagogically about a large live lecture is that it defines learning, operationally, as the retention of information. This approach can be used in a less “large” setting, but in my experience, having fewer students in the room works against maintaining the lecture format, because people interrupt more easily and conversation starts to flow, and all of a sudden learning becomes more about collectively wrestling with something instead of listening to the person in the front of the room tell you about something. Once the discussion starts, the operative definition of learning changes too, as evidenced by the fact that people stop taking notes as religiously: learning is no longer about quips and facts, but about interpretations and arguments. (I also find it interesting, and instructive, that most of the pro-lecture commenters on my previous post cited various ways in which they were relaxing the lecture form to produce more interactive discussion…which to my mind underscores my basic point, which is that the lecture format itself is structurally selective for a certain mode of teaching and learning, a mode that many of us are uncomfortable with to the point that we adopt various ways of disrupting the format.)
All of this suggests to me, as it apparently did recently to the folks at Stanford Medical School, that we should isolate the basic thing that large live lectures do — disseminate information — and put that part up online, and save the scarce resource of class time for other activities. Students can rewind and rewatch a podcast presentation, and with a little ingenuity and some freeware software tools those can be made into something other than a tight shot on a talking head through the importation of video, photos, etc. If you want to get a point across in short form, I submit, there is nothing about doing so in person that can’t be done online. But what about the other supposed benefits of lectures? “Making the material come to life”? I’m not sure why one can’t do that just as easily in front of a camera. “Generating enthusiasm”? “Responding to audience feedback”? Let me take up the “live concert” parallel for these two. I can’t say that attending a concert has ever increased my enthusiasm for a particular artist, although it has sometimes deepened it (which means: I was already enthusiastic enough to buy the ticket and attend) or been an occasion to introduce me to something I’d not heard before (the logic behind being an opening act for an established band: more exposure, and if the match is right, more exposure to fans of the same kind of music). And in any case, the experience of the live performance is the key thing one goes to a concert for; if it’s just the sound of the music performed live and perhaps changed up as the band feeds off of the crowd and vice versa that you’re looking for, well, a good soundboard recording is better than standing there in almost all cases. A live performance is an experience, an end in and of itself. Not so a lecture, in which one is supposed to have learned something.
Let me pursue this a bit further and unpack the notion of “learning something” by deploying my favorite typology of ways of knowing, which I know can be found a bunch of places but my favorite version is the one spelled out by John Shotter. Learning something, I will presume, means increasing one’s knowledge of something, but knowing comes in at least three flavors: “knowing-that,” “know-how,” and “knowing-from-within.” The first is factual knowledge of the sort that we academics often specialize in. The second covers applied skills that we see more often in “applied” or “craft” fields of endeavor, or those parts of our professions which look the most like that. The third is a bit more unusual, because it covers the kind of knowing how to “go on” that is characteristic of someone who belongs to a community — the exercise of good contextual judgment, so to speak. Calling all three of these “forms of knowing” accents, I think, the extent to which they are all learned rather than innate, and thoughtful activities rather than unthinking behaviors.
So what does a large live lecture contribute to these three ways of knowing, and what if anything does it contribute that can’t be recorded and put online?
As I have suggested, the typical kind of knowing that a large live lecture aims at is “knowing-that.” Here are some facts that I the lecturer want you the student to hear, note, memorize, and spit back. These facts might not simply be disconnected prices of information; they might also be facts about what an author says, which explanation of an event is the correct one, what the correct formula for national income is, etc. As a student, I demonstrate that I know these things by repeating them when asked to do so, in class, on an exam, whatever. Any questioning I do comes outside of the format of the lecture, and probably outside of the format of the lecture class as a whole. A good lecturer is skilled at “getting the point across” in such a way that the listeners remember it. Setting aside for a moment the intriguing finding of numerous studies that talking at someone is not even an especially effective way to get facts into their heads, I would argue that a) if a large live lecture has a pedagogical comparative advantage it has to be in contributing to this form of knowing, and b) there is nothing about the “large” or the “live” parts of the large live lecture that are essential to that contribution. Indeed, for students with neurologies and learning styles that are simply not conducive to plucking information out of a verbal stream and translating it into written form, or who are easily overwhelmed by the sensory experience of a lecture hall, the “large” and “live” parts might be detriments. So podcasting the lecture, and saving the scarce resource of face-to-face classroom time for other, more engaging activities (discussions, simulations, role-playing, group projects, games, etc.), would be a positive benefit for those students, and not harm anyone else. Indeed, by leaving time and space for activities other than sitting in a classroom taking notes, I would say, podcasting the lecture (if you even need to lecture, perhaps to give out some reading notes for the text the class is reading that week, or instructions for the simulation, or whatever) is a positive benefit for everyone, even if one is interested in learning primarily in terms of knowing-that.
Now, if one is interested in learning as increasing know-how, I would suggest that lectures do nothing for you whether they are large and live or podcast. Listening to someone talk about how to ride a bicycle or drive a car does zippo in terms of helping me ride or drive better. You learn to ride a bicycle by practicing riding a bicycle. Ditto every other practical activity one might think of. (Check this yourself: what have you ever learned how to do by listening to someone tell you how to do it? Even if someone gave you directions at the outset, I will bet, you actually learned how to do it by doing it and getting helpful feedback on your performance.) And watching someone else play the guitar doesn’t make me a better guitarist (although I grant that it might make me aspire to be a better guitarist…but do we really want our students to aspire to be better lecturers?). So: what does a student in a lecture practice, by way of increasing their know-how? Being a throughput for a stream of facts. Taking notes. Receiving information. Is this really what we want to teach in our classrooms? I would say not, because our courses aren’t called “Note-Taking” or “Information Receiving.” In some of our courses we want students to be able to do new things when they come out of them: we want them to conduct research, write papers, produce films, negotiate with opposing parties, solve equations, and so on. So why not rearrange class time so that students get to practice those skills, as opposed to the basically-useless-outside-of-a-lecture skills of note-taking and information-receiving?
And it’s even worse with the third kind of knowing. We develop good judgment and character not by hearing someone talk about it, but by exercising it and seeing others exercise it. I learn how to run an effective classroom — which is less a skill and more a habit or way of being — by being in well-run and poorly-run classrooms, and then perhaps by having an opportunity to talk with others similarly situated about what makes a good or a poor classroom. In so doing I form myself as someone who is capable of running a good class, and of exercising the proper kind of judgment about the syllabus, the format, and all the myriad other things that go into a class. Listening to a lecture called “How to Teach A Good Class” (or reading one of the all-too-numerous books on the subject, all of which are I think based on a category mistake because knowing facts about the characteristics of a good class doesn’t help me actually run a good meeting) is insufficient, because even if I hear some good tips, it is still incumbent on me to judge when to put them into practice. If know-how comes from practice, knowing-from-within comes from participating and reflecting. As a student in a lecture I participate in passivity, and all I can reflect on is the skill of the lecturer or the nuances of the performance…which makes me a better aficionado of the lecture genre, perhaps, but what’s the value of that? Attending performances of music or theatre has this kind of value inasmuch as attending more concerts and plays is itself a good and enjoyable thing. Lectures as an art form? I doubt it, and the market for lectures seems a lot weaker than the market for concerts and plays, so apparently a lot of other people doubt it too. (How about sermons? But they aren’t lectures, because they are not moments for teaching and learning as much as they are hortatory, inspirational occasions, and thus more similar to political speeches than to lectures.)
In sum: if you are interested in knowing-from-within and/or know-how as outcomes of your classes, I think you would be well-advised to take advantage of the current technology and stop the large live lecture, using the resulting class time thus freed up to engage in activities that are more directly connected to those forms of knowing. (One technique of which I am especially fond is podcasting an argument, not a lecture on which people are expected to take notes, and then using class time to discuss and debate that argument, preferably in dialogue with whatever text or texts we are reading for that day.) And even if you are interested in knowing-that, podcast the information-delivery and use class time to engage the students in activities that might help them fix the facts in their heads better. I simply do not see any reason in this day and age to keep assembling students in a lecture-hall so someone can pontificate on stage while they are supposed to be taking notes (but many of them are on Facebook anyway, or if you are enough of a curmudgeon to have banned laptops from your lecture-hall, they’re daydreaming or doodling or just plain zoning out). Podcast whatever content you have to deliver, and then get people together in small groups (those are probably easier to do in person, given current bandwidth constraints) to discuss it, wrestle with it, reply to it, put it into practice, or whatever. Otherwise you may wake up one morning and find yourself in the place that The Buggles’ character finds her- or himself:
And now we meet in an abandoned studio.
We hear the playback and it seems so long ago.
And you remember the jingles used to go
Oh-a-oh, you were the first one.
Oh-a-oh, you were the last one.
Yes, I saw that Buggles thing on a VH1 documentary (ducks head while older people throw things and looks around a confused, younger people)
More seriously, I had the same reaction to the comments in your first post. This is something I am trying to do more often but I have to say I feel more comfortable right now with a short (30 min? but I can talk a lot…) lecture and then 45 min of discussion each class as opposed to 75 minutes of discussion.
The other reason that I still do some class lectures is that I am worried about overburdening the students with out of class activities. I tend to assign a good bit of reading (more than in the classes for which I was a TA), and it can be quite difficult reading as well. How should I balance that with a 30-40 minute lecture placed on top of them? Less reading? If so, then I think that something is lost.
So I guess my question is, is this really ‘freeing up classtime’ or instead a choice between more/harder reading vs. freeing up classtime? Or maybe a third, giving students even more work on top of what should be a demanding class?
Anyways, interested to hear your thoughts.
I will say that one difference between me as a teacher 10+ years ago and now is that for lower-level undergraduate courses especially I have become convinced of the value of short readings that people can really engage. So I’d try to save the time there. But by the time someone gets to be a junior or a senior, I am less concerned with “overburdening” because students have many, many other options — and I am very honest with them about the amount of reading my IR Theory course involves (since in a six-week period we do Machiavelli-Hobbes-Locke-Rousseau-Kant-Hegel, a book week, as a prelude to contemporary IR theory). And my podcasts for the IR Theory course (SIS-301, they’re archived over at kittenboo.com) are on the short side, 15-20 minutes.
The ‘flipping the classroom’ idea really seems to be catching fire here in the Netherlands. We are working on a project where we use MOOCS as the ways of getting the ‘knowledge’ across (or better put, to help the students develop a vocabulary in a certain way of thinking) and then transform the classroom into spaces for experimentation and reflexive self-learning. Podcasting the lectures would definitely allow for similar approaches.
However, i do feel that you take a ‘cognitivist’ approach towards lectures, though. I feel that a) they are much more performative than we think and b) that that performativity has a socialising function. It helps the student figuring out what is surprising, or important, or logical, or interesting- not by the teacher telling her so, but through the ways in which the performance guides the narrative of the lecture. So the performance becomes a ‘sub-text’ that socialises the student into that what we teachers take for granted: the values of our knowledge, and the appropriate way of thinking/speaking it.
Not that it would be impossible to capture this tacit communication in a podcast, though- but it would be more difficult, as you (teacher) do not get the feedback from the room, the resonance of when it works or not. It is like communicating to foreigners what is the appropriate talking distance in a conversation. During a conversation, we can easily move back a little when others stand too close to us, but grasping that movement in a video would be much harder.
I have taught both large and small lectures. And the unexpected discussions that arise almost inevitably in small lectures are a joy for both professor and student. So you get no argument from me that smaller is better. It clearly is.
But taking notes during a large, live lecture does develop an important skill: identifying on the spot the important information. I agree that podcasting lectures is fine as an info-delivery method. But that students can rewind the parts that they miss, or hit the pause button at their convenience, discourages the development of this skill.
Can we rewind business meetings? Can we hit the pause button while in discussion with clients? Obviously not. Providing students with a convenience that they won’t enjoy in the working world does them no favor, ultimately.
Large, live lectures are often boring (I remember Psych 101 as the most hellish experience of my undergrad). But lots of things are boring. And we need to develop the ability to persevere, or at least to stay on task, despite the fact that we’re bored.
By no means am I saying that we need to prepare students for a tedious life by giving them tedious lectures. What I am saying, rather, is that having students sit through some large lecture-style courses isn’t necessarily detrimental to learning. In fact, it can be beneficial.
But I guess the question becomes, are lectures (large or small) better than classroom discussion, simulations, etc? I think PTJs point is as much about the opportunity cost of the lecture as its defaults (which is why I would like to see him respond to my query above about overburdening students with out of class work).
I do think that my small lectures work pretty well, though not great, and I also wonder what one would do with a 300 person class if not lecture. Sure, universities should have smaller classes (and more profs!!!) but they don’t right now. If assigned a 300 person course, what can be done with class time if lectures are shifted online? I guess longer TA sessions might work, but TAs are overburdened as it is right?
I’m not convinced by the argument: ‘a lot of lectures are boring, but hey, we need to learn to persevere boredom in life, so that’s ok’. If persevering boredom is a pedagogical purpose of the lecture, thats fine. but if our lectures are not designed to teach students how to deal with boredom, and are still boring, we should critically look at our teaching, and not bring in a new pedagogical goal to make that ok.
There’s no solid evidence that entertaining lectures lead to better educational outcomes. Some studies suggest the opposite.
Still that doesn’t make it right to be boring unless you have the purpose of being so. If you want to use boredome as pedagogy, thats fine. But if you just happen to do boring stuff, don’t hide behind arguments like this, but be self-reflexive about it, and become better at what you do.
Two responses:
1. PTJ — I’m sorry to see you go from Duck; you brought political theory and philosophy writ large to many of these pages.
2. Boring Dude-Gerald debate — It seems like the onslaught of tech provides a greater defense of PTJ’s argument. As teachers, we can scour Youtube and have kids watch a variety of greater lecturers pertinent to particular topics. We should have kids attend visiting lectures that various departments sponsor. Both give us a chance for our students to witness different styles and think through and experience various performativities. Being in political science frequently pits policy against theory (a point well discussed on Duck), but a policy wonk and a theorist may speak in different ways and articulate radically different content. A student’s ability to make sense depends on, at least tacitly, understanding differences in conventions for these different speakers. Rolling lectures out of the mundane might help get students to be less baked and have longer attention spans towards these lecture performances.